Amy: Somebody's living in the walls.
The thing cursed him.
He was physically thrown.
Something giving me nightmares.
- Do you know what they want? - Amy: To take the person.
How often have you been scratched?
Over 50 times.
- Is that what I think it is? - Mm-hmm.
I mean, that's my kid.
Amy: Oh, god, not again.
Oh, god, not again.
Not again. Oh, god, no.
I'm here in the devil's triangle.
My name is amy allan.
I see dead people.
I think he might've been a stalker.
I speak to dead people.
And they speak to me.
He will kill you. He has killed people.
But there's only one way to know if my findings are real.
They're being possessed.
I rely on my partner.
I'm steve dischiavi.
I'm a retired new york city homicide detective.
How many people died here over the years?
And I know every person, every house, has secrets.
It's my job to reveal them.
But steve and I never speak...
We never communicate during an investigation.
...Until the very end...
This sketch is like a nightmare.
...When we uncover if it's safe for you to stay...
[ crying ] I never thought
that the biggest problem was me.
...Or time to get out.
He could, more than likely,
kill you. - [ crying ]
[ ominous chord strikes ]
[ voices whispering ]
♪♪
so I'm out here in coleraine, minnesota.
It's about an hour and 1/2 from duluth.
We're here to help a woman named kari.
Now she's a mom, just got remarried,
but she says her home is like a war zone.
She told me whatever's there is picking on
her seven-year-old boy,
and she's worried it's destroying his childhood.
She sounds like a real sweet woman.
I'm hoping we can help her out.
♪♪
amy: Oh, boy.
So one of the main people that's here is an older man.
He stays very low.
He moves around like a dog.
So then the old guy says that there's a lot of energy here.
He says that he can move stuff all the time.
So I'm thinking there might be pk going on here, too,
that he's able to tap in and use.
Pk going on makes living crazy.
Steve: So, kari, I'm glad I'm here, even though it's freezing.
You sounded really bad on the phone, very concerned.
So what the hell's going on here?
Yeah, I'm very concerned about my family, particularly my son.
He's the youngest and seems to be more affected.
So let's start with the basics.
Who all lives in the house now?
- My husband, jason. - Steve: Okay.
- Myself, his daughter, sadie. - How old is sadie?
Sadie's 17, and my son kellan, he's 7.
How long have you lived here?
We've lived here just over six years.
I purchased the home as a single mother.
Now, did you have experiences, like, right away?
When my husband and his daughter moved in,
it increased significantly.
So I know kellan is the one you're worried about the most.
Uh, tell me why.
You know, my son is scared and having bad dreams and anxiety.
He doesn't like to sleep in his bedroom.
He prefers to sleep in his sister's room often.
I mean, he's seven.
Kids are a little stressed out these days.
I mean, what makes you think it's all paranormal?
When he was about two and 1/2,
I was in the kitchen area here,
and behind you is our laundry room.
- Steve: Right. - Kari: And he walked
to the back corner of the laundry room,
and he was physically thrown across the room
and cried and was very upset.
It looked like somebody tossed a doll across the room.
It was terrible.
That's a game changer right there.
Yeah, it's very stressful.
So what about kellan's dad?
Does he spend time with him? Does he have experiences there?
Um, so kellan's dad was a marine.
- Okay. - And, um,
he unfortunately, a couple years ago
was the victim of veteran suicide.
I'm sorry to hear that.
It happens way too often, unfortunately.
Okay.
Do me a favor and give me
a list of what the hell you guys are experiencing.
We're hearing, um, knocking,
things that move on their own.
We see shadow figures,
and things are starting to get physical.
How are you holding up?
You know, I do my best to take care
of the whole household and the family, um,
but it's very difficult. - Who's taking care of you?
Yeah, that's why I called you guys.
Yeah. Okay.
What the ****.
I'm seeing a guy in a top hat sitting in a tree.
This guy in the tree moves fast.
Thinking that this was a native american.
So there's another thing with this guy in the tree,
and it's taller and they're connected
somehow.
It's seven feet tall, wearing a black cape.
And then the old man says that
the thing cursed him where the structure...
The old man, when he was alive,
was being bothered by the native american.
But I don't understand why the native american
would be acting sketchy and creepy.
[ sighs ]
kari: I don't like the basement.
Steve: What's the story? Why don't you like it?
It's just a... Unsettling feeling
in my stomach.
- Queasy? - Queasy, and I want to leave.
Do you have that queasy feeling now?
Yes, I do. I -- I would like to
leave the basement. - Leave. Okay.
- Uh, anything else? - I...
Get a feeling like I walked through a wall of spider webs.
So I know the feeling that you're talking about,
- yeah. - 'cause everybody's walked
through a spider web, right? - Yeah.
Do you get that feeling underneath your clothing
or is it just where the skin is exposed?
Underneath the clothing, as well.
- Okay, like a tingling? - Yeah, but light.
Now, when you go upstairs, do you ever feel that?
No, I've only felt it in the basement.
Uh, anything else?
I've heard knocking down here.
All right, so when you hear this,
what's it kind of sound like? - Like...
[ raps twice ]
but it's louder.
- What do you think it is? - I don't know.
Something that doesn't want anybody down here.
So this is where
the old man
likes to stay.
This is where he feels the safest.
I don't know why he's naked either.
He had something wrong in his mind before he died.
Like I keep getting lost in his thoughts.
So, you know, there's been some instances of confusion,
and he likes to move ****around.
So they're probably hearing a lot of noises,
like somebody's living in the walls.
He's mistaken this living female
for this other woman he knew when he was younger.
And so I think this living woman
has felt like she's been touched.
The living down here would experience, you know, nausea.
I mean, he drives them crazy.
Steve: What's going on in here?
- I have heard growling. - Explain the growling.
Like a...
[ makes growling noise ]
like a very, um, distinct growl.
All right, obviously, question is do you have pets?
We have two dogs.
Have you ever heard either one of them sound like that?
No. Never.
Is it possible there's something
in the walls here?
I don't believe so.
All right, so anything else?
- I see a shadow figure. - Okay, so what do you see?
A tall, dark
black to gray figure.
- It goes from floor to ceiling. - Okay.
So with all this stuff you got going on
and all the worries you have,
how you sleeping at night?
I get woken up almost every night between
two o'clock and four o'clock in the morning.
What do you think's waking you up?
It's almost like a feeling of somebody watching me.
What are you hopin' we can do for you
with this investigation?
I'm really hoping that you guys can help us
just bring back the peacefulness
of a normal home.
Well, you're not asking for too much, are ya?
No.
They're here.
Shadow people.
Maybe four at a time.
So the living here can't move. Yeah.
But like sleep paralysis.
This is a female waking up.
It feels like they're sleep, but they're not.
And I feel, "oh, god, not again.
"oh, god, not again.
Not again. Oh, god, no."
♪♪
steve: So, sadie, how old are you?
- 17. - 17, okay.
I was talking to kari,
and she was saying how worried she is
about the whole family -- you agree with her?
- Yeah. - Okay.
How about you -- you having experiences?
Uh, yeah.
I was sitting at the kitchen table,
and my hand started to hurt, - okay.
And I looked down on it, and there was a really
long scratch.
And it's kind of, like, a welt.
Ooh.
- Anything else? - I was sitting on the couch,
and I watched a picture fly off the shelf by itself.
Did it look like it fell, or did it look like
somebody might have flung it?
It looked like someone might have flung it.
I mean, that would have scared the hell out of me.
So as far as you living here, do you --
do you feel safe here?
Or do you think this is dangerous?
- I feel like it wants us out. - Yeah, okay.
Okay.
This is, uh, bad.
I'm getting much depression.
Fear, uh,
grief, depression.
Very confused.
This might be some of the pk **** here.
Do you know where this pk is coming from?
The person who's in this room.
Do you know why?
They're in a lot of emotional turmoil.
So kellan, I was talkin' to mom, and she said
you're having a tough time in the house.
Is that right? Do you like living here?
- No, huh? - Every time I walk in here,
I have, like...
This feeling where I think of scary stuff.
That's why I sleep in sadie's room.
Don't want to be here,
and something
in here, like, giving me nightmares.
Do you remember any of them?
- Um, my whole family died. - Okay.
That's a scary dream, huh?
Anything else?
The shadows.
- You see shadows? - Yeah.
Okay, where do you see them?
I saw one in the laundry room,
probably the size of you.
Have you seen them again?
Yeah, and I saw the --
I saw a tall one in sadie's room.
Well, let me ask you a question.
If we could fix what's going on here and no more bad things
would happen, would you want to stay?
Okay, good. All right.
Give me a high five. Okay.
Possibly they've seen the tall, tall one,
the guy who was with the native american outside.
Is it in here? - Yeah.
What is the tall one doing?
Just standing there, staring.
There's a feeling here like -- like, you know,
obviously wanting it to stop,
but this is like -- like, the old man's one thing.
This is something else.
♪♪
talking to your wife before
and some of the family,
and it just seems like this place has got its issues.
Yes, that it does.
So I spoke with sadie, and she showed me a scratch
that she had on her hand, and she's a little rattled.
You feel any guilt about moving her in here
with you guys? - You know, I do feel
a little bad, 'cause she didn't ask for that.
She didn't ask for the extra drama.
Any experiences you could talk about?
I do get scratched.
Those are the scratches that I had had.
How often have you been scratched?
Over 50 times.
Wow.
So, listen, you've been scratched.
Kari told me about knocking on the walls and growling.
You sure there's not a rodent problem
in the house, in the wall somewhere?
You had it checked for anything like that?
Uh, no, we haven't.
Okay, all right, so anything else?
You know, I do see shadow figures in the house.
A lot of other people that I've talked to today
told me the same thing -- now, what are you seeing?
I see something walk through the kitchen
almost constantly.
- How tall is it? - It goes from
the floor to the ceiling.
I feel it's safe to say whatever's here
doesn't want us here.
I'm seeing this...
Supposed native american man
and that thing coming in the window.
Matt: You say supposed -- why -- why are you saying that?
I don't think it's really a native american.
What do you think... They are?
I think that they're alien.
Can these things change the way people perceive them?
- Yeah. - And do you know what they want?
Uh, to take the person.
Have they been successful in doing that?
Yes.
How do you think this person might be affected by that?
They feel like they're being touched,
but then I don't know how much
they're remembering of the whole thing.
These aren't shadow people in here, either.
- So these aren't shadow people. - No.
- That's just what she's seeing. - Yes.
- And they're aliens. - Yes.
I think that they're being abducted by aliens.
Are they in danger?
Yes, uh, they get abducted
and, like have, like,
ptsd and flashbacks, traumatizing nightmares
about
being, like, dissected.
I mean, I don't...
I think that usually the abductions go very well
for people.
Look, kari and jason tell me they hear
knocking in the walls and growling sounds.
Sounds to me like some kind of wildlife problem.
Now, what that would be in the friggin' frozen tundra
out here, I got no clue,
but I'm heading back to the house to meet
with a wildlife control expert who's gonna give the place
a once-over for me.
Hey, mike, thanks for meeting with me.
- I appreciate it. - Yeah, good to meet you, steve.
So, mike, this why I called you.
The people that live here are having some strange things
happening, and some of it is they're hearing growling,
knocks in the walls, and they're gettin' scratched.
Yeah, the scratching is a bit unusual,
but the growling and the knocking noise, uh,
could possibly be a squirrel.
We have a couple different types of squirrels,
northern flying squirrels, gray squirrels.
Really? Okay, so they're indigenous
to this area and could possibly be in the house.
Yeah, on an older house like this,
it's very much a possibility.
Okay -- do me a favor -- if you give the house
good check for me,
let me know if you find any evidence of that?
All right, let's go ahead and take a look.
Okay. Thanks.
Steve: I have no clue what amy's gonna find during her walk,
but it's my job to rule out the obvious first.
We're in minnesota in the dead of winter.
So if there's wildlife sneaking into the house
looking for food,
it could explain what kari and her family are going through.
If that's the case, we'll bring in an exterminator,
problem solved.
- How'd it go? - It went well.
- Anything? - Yeah, I found some spots,
a couple of places where squirrels
have made entry through some soffit material.
Okay, so there's evidence that they were
in the house at some point. - Yeah, absolutely.
We found an acorn upstairs, flying squirrels kinda
chew acorns a little bit uniquely,
and we can see where they definitely have came
into the house.
Okay, so could that explain
the knocking noises they're hearing in the basement?
- Yep. Absolutely. - What about the growling?
Yeah, flying squirrels can be pretty aggressive
towards each other,
so they'll be fighting up there.
All right, what about the scratches?
I don't think it would really explain the scratches.
So I always say that not everything's paranormal,
but what you found explained some of it,
but not everything. - Yes.
Let's get the hell out of here. Cold.
The old man likes to be up in here.
He likes to be up in here.
Makes a lot of noise.
You can hear footsteps and ****,
like, regular footstep and stuff.
[ knocking noises ]
it sounds like somebody's living in the walls.
And then it's like, is there a **** raccoon
in the wall, like, you know what I mean?
Like, that's how loud it is, that's what it sounds like.
So I just got a call from a local historian.
Now, she told me she's got something
that might help me out.
Turns out a family called the rileys
used to live in kari and jason's house.
She says they end up having a famous son,
but the rest of their time in that land was filled with
heartbreak and tragedy.
So, lilah, I appreciate you coming out and helping me out
with this case -- all right,
so this family that lived on my clients' property,
what can you tell me about them?
- The john riley family. - Okay.
Started a family and had six kids and then moved to
coleraine, minnesota, in 1906.
They get to coleraine in 1906 --is that when
they buy my clients' property?
Nope, it was eight years later, in 1914,
- okay. And I have the deed right here.
Okay.
So what else can you tell me about john?
He was an engineer who worked for one of the local mines.
You mentioned out of
the six kids that you told me he has,
one of them was pretty famous.
Well, when they came to coleraine,
and everybody tried to ski --
well, barney just had a talent for skiing.
He actually got a nickname from everybody.
They called him the irishman or the wild irish rose.
Okay, so he was popular in the neighborhood?
He's actually popular nationwide.
He won the national amateur championship for skiing.
So lilah, you mentioned tragedy, but right up till now,
it sounds pretty good -- what happened?
- His luck changed in 1935. - Okay.
Tragically, barney's mother fell ill and suffered
for three days and died of septicemia.
Okay, what exactly is that?
It's an infection of the liver.
I have a death certificate here for you.
So his mom dies.
I mean, that's tragic, but these things happen, right?
Then just a year later, barney's father, john,
had full-blown dementia.
Then he got kidney disease and died on March 3, 1936.
He actually died in your clients' home.
All right, so now I know there's six kids,
but does barney get the property after the parents die?
No, the oldest son, john jr., does.
- Okay. - And in 1938,
he passes away.
He died of cancer in the stomach.
Oh, he's 51 years old, so he's a young guy.
All right, so now his brother's dead.
Who gets the property at this point?
- Barney inherits it. - Okay, so what happens?
Well, within a year, barney got in his car
and was backing out of the driveway
- okay. And had a heart attack and died.
Here's his death certificate.
- 48? What a young guy. - Young.
I mean, this guy was an athlete, too.
All right, so if I got my math right,
that's four deaths in four years.
- Four years. - That's a shame.
This old man won't stop following me.
He was saying, uh, that he was a former owner,
says he lived and died here.
Then he got confused on if he was dead.
So then I'm thinking maybe he had, like, dementia
or something.
So he might be in his late seventies.
I don't think, uh, he's from that long ago.
I wouldn't put him earlier than, like,
maybe in the 1940s?
Definitely, like, some illness here with him,
like, his stomach.
There was something with his business, got dirt digging and,
like, maybe mining of some kind or something
along them lines.
He gets lost a lot, like, in his, uh, memories and ****.
My guess is that something happened to
some of his kids or his wife.
It's bad.
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Steve: So far, I've got a family
being physically assaulted by god knows what
in a house where family got wiped out in just four years.
But I want to see if there's anything else.
Searching through old records,
I come across the famous pillsbury company.
Turns out, the founder once owned kari and jason's property.
So I'm off to meet a local genealogist who says, yes,
kari and jason's property really was owned by the guy
who started the pillsbury empire.
But she told me the guy's charmed life came to an end
the second he tried the sell the land.
So it's good to see you again, carrie.
Thanks for helping me out with this case.
On the phone, you mentioned that
one of the original owners of my clients' property
was this pillsbury guy? - Yes, john sargent pillsbury.
He started off in the printing industry,
and after a short time,
he kind of decided it wasn't really for him,
and he went to work with his brother, george,
at his brother's hardware store.
All right, so obviously this guy was an entrepreneur.
Did the store that him and his brother were at
turn into the pillsbury company?
It did not.
He stayed working with his brother for a short while,
but then eventually,
he decides he wants to make a way for himself.
In 1855, he moves out
to the minneapolis area with his new wife, mahala.
- Okay. - And he opens up
a hardware store. - The hardware store --
how did it go for him with that?
It went very well.
He was an ambitious entrepreneur
and really built up his store,
allowing him to have a warehouse,
where he stored a lot of his goods.
Unfortunately, in roughly 1857, he had a fire.
And in that fire, he lost all the merchandise
in his warehouse. - Oh, jeez.
So the cost of that ran him about
$36,000, which today
would be probably about $340,000.
All right, so he lost a big piece of change.
He absolutely did -- wiped him out
for roughly about five years.
Okay, so when does he start
the company we all know and love?
John actually got together
with his nephew, charles, - okay.
And started the pillsbury company.
They did very, very well,
and he used some of that wealth to actually
invest in the railroads here in minnesota, as well.
But that wasn't his only venture.
He actually went into politics
and ran for governor of the state
and won in 1875. - He's a pretty ambitious guy.
So when did he wind up acquiring my clients' property?
In late 1887,
he actually purchased the property.
- Did he live on the land? - He didn't.
Most people that were buying property in that timeframe
were buying because they were speculating for coal
in the area. - You had mentioned on the phone
that things went to hell for him
when, uh, he tried selling the property.
Yes, that's true.
In August 1901, he tried to sell the property.
- Okay. - And just weeks later,
he ended up finding out that he had kidney disease.
He developed whooping cough,
and on October 18th of 1901,
he had a ruptured brain vessel,
which, ultimately, he passed away.
Says here he was 74.
You know, I don't know if it's coincidence
or what the hell the story is,
but, uh, he tries to sell my clients' property, then boom.
The old man...
So he feels like, yeah, it's bad here.
He's saying that other people come in,
you know, and then they're all **** up.
He doesn't know why things are so bad here.
He doesn't understand it's the aliens.
Here's the thing is that these people
who -- who were affected, uh,
I think that they're all men.
You know, he's talking about them owning businesses
or trying to own business or something.
And, um, and that -- and that -- it's not good.
I saw a lot of disturbing things on my walk,
but what had me most concerned are the aliens
that are abducting a living woman in the master bedroom.
There are four beings
around the bed.
They look like aliens, like gray aliens
with the big eyes and the big head.
They all had, like, a beam of light on them.
They have five fingers.
They did not have any noses or mouths.
No noses or mouths. Okay.
- Long necks. - Long necks, okay.
Their arms were very thin and long.
♪♪
amy,
is this what you saw?
Yes, that's what I saw.
♪♪
steve: Now that amy and I have completed our investigations,
we're ready to reveal our findings to each other
and our clients for the first time.
So, amy, I want you to meet kari and jason.
Now, these guys got married a couple of years ago
and have a blended family with five kids.
But, as of now, only two of them are living at home here.
This is sadie, who's 17.
This is kellan, who's 7.
Kellan is the main reason we're here.
Kari thinks he's getting the worst of it,
and she doesn't think it's safe for him to be here.
How long you guys lived here?
I've lived in the home for a little over six years.
Things seemed to pick up once jason moved in
with sadie. - Amy: Interesting.
So the first thing I want to discuss
is going upstairs,
taking a right going into that room
where it's just the bed.
I felt that the person
who was residing in that room
was suffering from a pretty extreme bout
of depression,
and this depression was centered around
a feeling of loss and grief and confusion.
And due to all of these
intense emotions that this person is experiencing,
they were triggering the ability that they have,
which is psychokinesis, or pk.
What can happen as a result of this
is that sometimes objects will move.
All right, so you're in sadie's room.
- All right. - Okay.
And when I talked to sadie,
she had a lot of experiences with things moving.
Okay.
But there's something you should know, though, kellan,
when he's not feeling safe,
he goes into her room and stays with her.
Well, that explains the masculine energy,
because I thought it was male. - As far as depression
and strong emotions, I know he's only seven,
but you mind telling her about his biological father?
Yeah, about three years ago, his biological father,
who was in the marines,
he unfortunately, uh, did commit suicide.
Since then, he's very sensitive
and in tune to people's emotions.
He is an empath,
and he cares about other people.
Very interesting.
There's an incident that happened with him
when he was, what, two and 1/2?
- Yeah. - In the laundry room
you should know about -- tell her what happened.
He was thrown across the room towards the washing machine.
So I don't know if it has anything to do
with pk when it comes to sadie,
but she's -- she's been scratched.
Amy: That could be.
So jason gets these scratches constantly.
He's had over 50 of them, right? 50 incidents?
Jason: Yeah, I've had them. I've had them for --
for a long, long time. - Kari: A long time.
That could be pk, then.
So pk -- do you think it's sadie?
Or do you think it's kellan?
It's rare for a young child to exhibit pk,
but I think it's probably kellan.
Steve: Okay, so what else?
I'm going to discuss, uh,
one of the dead people that I encountered.
It's an elderly male.
He made me uncomfortable.
His safe space is the basement.
- I hate the basement. - Yeah.
He stated this and also showed it to me --
uh, him trying to gain the attention of a female here,
and he was doing this by touching or tapping her,
like trying to get her attention.
So when I've been in the basement,
I've had the sensation of, like,
spider web feeling on my skin,
like touching me. - Okay, yeah.
He's able to make objects move.
He also is able to manipulate sound
very easily to create sounds
as though he's kind of living in the house.
Tell her about the knocking noises
you're hearing down there.
I do hear behind me, like...
[ makes knocking noise ]
- mm-hmm. - And I'll turn around.
I'm usually home alone,
and there's no one there.
Now, she also mentioned to me that she hears
growling up in the bedrooms. - Your bedroom?
Yeah, so I'm thinking maybe it was some
wildlife in the walls here,
so I brought in a local pest control expert.
He told me that the knocking and growling can come
from the flying squirrels that are pretty common around here.
Now, he gave the place a complete once-over,
and he saw evidence that they could have been here.
So maybe it's the old man making these noises,
or maybe it's these flying squirrels.
Kari: Wow.
Did you get anything on this old man when he was alive?
This is what I was able to get from him.
A former owner, lived and died here,
more than likely in his seventies.
I'd put him in or around the forties, possibly earlier.
A lot of his focus was concerning entrepreneurs
and people starting businesses in this house or this location.
Uh, he said that this place is not good for them.
He also was talking about his business.
What I kept seeing were images of him, uh, handling dirt,
some, like, maybe a miner.
The problem with him is I think
that he had some kind of dementia.
Steve: A lot of what you said made me think of
an irish immigrant who moved into this house in 1914.
Now, his name was john riley,
and him and his wife, lucy, had six kids.
So you mentioned mining, and john was an engineer
for one of the local mines here.
One of their sons was actually pretty famous in this area --
I mean, really famous.
His name was barney riley.
Uh, he was a nationally known ski jump champion,
but the family suffered a lot of tragedy.
Barney died suddenly at 47.
Another son died at the age of 51.
And then in 1936, john, just like you said,
had dementia, and he died at the age of 94.
Is it possible it could be the guy, john?
Yes. All right.
So now we know john riley.
- Feel bad for the guy. - Me, too.
But, I mean, potentially he's causing problems.
So, this guy john was very focused on a tree outside.
Jason: The one right out next closest to the road?
Yeah, and what he was showing me by the trees
was what he believed, uh,
to be a native american male with a top hat.
And then the old man, john, showed me that there was
another thing that was standing beside the native american,
and this thing was seven feet tall.
Both of these come inside the house.
In sadie's room,
I saw the tall one standing in the corner
and just staring at the person that was in that room.
I mean, kellan's seen it.
Kellan has seen, in sadie's room,
a tall, thin figure.
In sadie's room,
you know, she's almost 18 years old,
and she keeps her light on all night, because she said,
you know, she feels like there's somebody watching her.
In her room. - We all see...
A tall, floor-to-ceiling
black shadow.
Very interesting -- so I make it into the master bedroom,
and I was seeing things through the eyes
of a living woman, and I'm seeing
many shadow people in the room at the end of bed,
at least four.
And I'm like... Having sleep paralysis.
I can't move.
Feels like they're asleep, but they're not.
And I feel,
"oh, god, not again.
Oh, god, not again. Not again, oh, god."
I do wake up, uh, pretty much every night.
Sometimes I do have the paralysis, but then
sometimes I just look around and, yeah,
there are, like, shadow people.
But then I tell myself, that's not what I'm seeing.
And where do you sleep?
I know I prefer to sleep near a window.
Very interesting -- I am blown away,
because I had you guys swapped, and I think I know
what's going on -- okay.
Damn it -- so the native american guy
and the seven-foot-tall thing that
was shown to me by the old man, the shadow figures
in the master bedroom --
that's not what those things actually were.
So I had a sketch done of what those things actually are.
What in the **** is this?
Is that what I think it is?
Mm-hmm.
Wow... Are those...
...Aliens? - Mm-hmm.
- Really? - Mm-hmm.
Man, my brain is fried right now.
- Yeah. - Me, too.
Steve: So what's going on with them?
One of the things, uh, that they do or that they can do
is manipulate perception or perceptual experiences,
which is why you're probably processing them
as, uh, shadow beings.
So I thought you had not been abducted.
But it's you who has not been abducted.
And it's you who has been.
For some odd reason,
I don't feel surprised.
You almost have a look of relief on your face,
like now I know what the hell's going on.
I mean, I guess it's better to know what's happening than
just to not know what's happening.
So the activity picking up when he came into the house
kind of makes sense. - Amy: Oh, yeah.
And I believe one other person has been abducted,
and this can cause anxiety disorders,
flashbacks, nightmares, night terrors --
lot of issues. - Who was the other person?
I'm wondering if it's kellan.
Kari: Oh...
So when they abduct him,
is he physically gone or just... - Yes.
- He's physically gone. - Yes.
And they take him to their ship?
- I don't know. - Okay.
Yeah, yeah, it really -- it really scares me that, um...
You know, this little guy, he's got so much going on,
and... He --
he doesn't like to go to bed.
Well, obviously there's a good reason why.
Yeah, my head hurts.
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so I don't know who has more of a shocked look
on their face, me or you guys.
This case is unusual, to say the least,
but we still have to answer the big question.
Can you stay here and fight,
or do you need to pack up and get the hell out of here?
For that answer, I'm gonna turn it over to amy.
Here's the thing --
I think that you've had...
Experiences with them, the aliens, your whole life.
Even if you were to move or relocate,
it doesn't matter, like, you're gonna --
you're going to continue to have experiences.
And more than likely,
your son will, too,
because there's an interest there.
Steve: Can they protect themselves from that,
or is that something that there's nothing you can do
about it? - My suggestion
is researching online abducted groups.
What is that, like a support group?
Yeah, basically a support group, they all basically exchange
different techniques that have worked for them,
ways of handling things, the situations.
I see you shaking your head -- what's up?
I mean, are we just gonna --
am I just gonna wake up one day and he's gone
and I never see --
- I mean, is that... - Oh, that's highly unlikely.
Okay -- what are they -- what are they doing?
Isn't that the ultimate question?
Now...
What about the old guy, john riley?
So I have a medium
I would like to come and assist you,
and the good thing is is that she actually worked
with elderly patients and things like that.
So I'm hoping she'll really be able to handle john
and his situation and successfully move him on.
So...
Unfortunately, this is one of those investigations
that's very rare.
You can't do anything about your alien problem,
but you will be able to move the old guy on.
- Yeah. - And it's something
you're gonna have to live with, I mean,
how do you feel about that?
Well, I guess I feel like I've already been living with it.
I'll do anything I can to protect my son.
That's number one for me out of this.
Amy: My hope is jason joins a support group
so he will be able to protect himself and kellan
from the aliens.
If the family also brings in a medium to move on the old man,
they might finally find the peace
they have been looking for.